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Bored? Looking for something to do? Start with this list of things to do in the Sacramento area.

(Credit for the below list has to be given to u/BurritoFueled, who created the original list in 2014 and updated it a year later. Almost two-thirds of the items below are still from that original list. All I’ve done with the list is revive it a little bit by updating dead links and making little tweaks when necessary. Also, thanks to those that submitted new additions to the list last week. Over a third of the below items are new and a lot of the original items have had newer information added onto them.)
People are always looking for something to do around here. Maybe you’re a transplant, unaware of what this area has to offer, or maybe you’re a lifelong resident, tired of the same old thing. Well friend, if you fall into the latter category, do not despair. There’s actually plenty of things to do in the Sacramento area – things of interest to almost any lifestyle, personality, or budget.
So, whether you’re an athlete, geek, eccentric, hipster, weirdo, sexual deviant or just a normal person looking for a new activity, below is a list of activities for you to try. Please note that it includes only activities that take place at least a few times a year – no one-off events or festivals here.
Enjoy this list. If you have any suggestions of your own to add, comment below in this thread. I'll try to keep this as up to date as possible.
Away we go.
UPDATED 10-6-20
(Note: Due to the current pandemic, some of these activities may be curtailed or not offered at all.)
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How I Got Paid By 65 Different Beermoney Programs in 2018 [Guide]

How I Got Paid By 65 Different Beermoney Programs in 2018

Hi! Welcome to my guide for everything that paid me in 2018. Before I begin, here are a few details:
Now, let’s get into the good stuff.

1. Quickthoughts - $590

This was my top earner for the year and it only took me up until September to earn this amount. I had to stop because they require a W9 for anything over $600 and I was too lazy to file that. It is pretty similar to a traditional survey router, but I seem to have much better luck with not disqualifying here. I get paid $1 per survey but some people earn $2 per survey based on their demographics. Some people have issues with bans and getting locked out of accounts, so it is not for everyone. Because of this, it is important to cash out the minute you hit the cashout minimum of $10. There are both android and iOS apps but I highly recommend using android if possible because the iOS app pays in iTunes gift cards and the android app pays in Amazon gift cards. Overall, Quickthoughts is great if you are one of the lucky ones without account issues.

2. CrowdTap - $270

This is one of my favorite beermoney programs of all time. You complete a variety of very short polls and questions about consumer goods, food products, and services. The polls pay 1.5 cents each and the short answer questions pay 10 cents each. There are other ways that they ask questions, including longer surveys that are a combination between the polls and questions. All of them are well worth it for the time that they take. Reward options include Amazon, Target, Walmart, Steam, Xbox, and more. You can cash out starting at $5 and I am able to cash out about once a week. Definitely add this one to your routine if you have not yet.

3. Prolific Academic - $197.95

This one is great. Take academic surveys for universities and researchers and get paid in cash. As long as you don’t miss attention checks you won’t get disqualified. Some people get multiple surveys a day and others get only a few a week based on demographics. Many pay at least minimum wage. I could have made a lot more on here if I tried. Universally regarded as one of the most “worth it” survey sites so give it a shot!

4. Pinecone Research - $138 + Ranch Dip and Dog Chews

Pinecone pays a guaranteed $3 for 10-15 min surveys regarding opinions on new products. They also send free samples sometimes! You can cash out for a variety of gift cards or PayPal. I get about 1 survey a week on average. Pinecone is invite only so look for invites to sign up on other GPT sites as sometimes you can find them there. If you get in it is some of the best money you can make with surveys for the time you spend on it.

5. Branded Surveys - $130

Branded Surveys has traditional router surveys. A major perk of using Branded used to be their generous daily login bonus. This has been reduced to 5 cents a day, so it might not be worth using this site for the login bonus alone anymore. They have a very high EngageMe rate at one cent per 3 videos if that’s your thing as well! Payouts start at $10 via Paypal and Amazon.

6. Nicequest - $120

Big fan of this one. Their surveys have guaranteed rewards even if you screen out and can pay up to $2-3 for like 10-15 minutes. Their currency is “shells” and each shell converts to about 7 cents. Installing their meter on your devices adds a guaranteed 5 shells per survey. If you add it to your computer, phone, and tablet you get an extra 15 shells (about a dollar) per survey. I just have it on my computer so I get 5 bonus shells. Cashouts are quick for e-gift cards and they also offer physical items. Saving up for larger gift cards typically gives you better rates.

7. PrizeRebel - $107

PrizeRebel is your typical GPT site with a variety of ways to earn, but it is most well-known for surveys. They pay $0.80 per survey on the YourSurvey router and that is where a majority of my earnings have come. Lots of cashout options starting at $2.

8. YouGov - $100

YouGov is a survey site/app that pays anywhere from $0.50 to $2 per survey. The best part of it is that you never disqualify. I get a couple surveys a week. Most of the surveys are about public policy, politics, or general opinions of companies. You get the best value for your points if you save up for the $100 cash out. They offer the $100 cash out in bank transfer and Amazon. The Amazon gift card option used to be a physical mailed card but now its an e-gift card so that makes it even better! They offer other gift cards but they are for smaller values at worse rates so I would avoid them. Available online, on android, and on iOS.

9. iMoney - $89

Get paid to download apps! The best thing about iMoney is that the apps always credit and you can get credit for apps you have downloaded before. That’s not the case on most paid-to-download apps. Earn 15-30 cents per app and there are 3-4 new apps available each day. They offer Amazon and PayPal but PayPal has a small fee. Added this towards the end of the year and hope to make more next year. Might not be in the app store at the moment? Couldn’t find a link to put in the title.

10. VeryDice - $65

Roll dice, get points, redeem for physical items and e-gift cards. I get the daily spin rolls every day and watch their ads for more rolls. The key to VeryDice is saving up approximately 100 rolls before rolling to have enough to get the daily doubles bonus of $0.30. Worth keeping on your phone even if it’s just for the daily spin rolls. Available on both iOS and Andoid. If you want to enter my ref code at sign up you’ll get 30 free rolls :). It is 1319422.

11. Forthright - $62

Sign up and receive invitations to surveys via email. Don’t do their “partner surveys”, they rarely credit and you can get stuck in an endless loop. Their non-partner surveys are awesome. They pay well for the time spent but they also have one of the best disqualification bonusses I have ever seen. Every three surveys you take, regardless of whether you disqualify or not, you get a $2 bonus. That is $0.66 per survey on top of its base pay regardless of whether you qualify or not. They pay instantly with PayPal, Amazon, or Bitcoin.

12. VolKno - $55

Do you like movies? Then this one’s for you. Watch, rate, and tag movie trailers to earn Amazon gift cards. Each trailer has three stages and after completing all three you will make 23.5 cents per trailer. One thing to keep in mind is that you need a physical verification card sent to a US address in order to activate your account. I completed basically every trailer that was posted over the year, so my earnings are a good estimate of what you can plan on earning.

13. Inbox Dollars - $52.03

A pretty shit GPT site with a high minimum cash out. Not sure how I ever hit the minimum cash out here. Would not recommend.

14. Zap Surveys (Ref for $0.75 bonus) - $52.03

There are three main ways to earn here: a 3 cent daily login bonus, 7 cent location rewards for opening the app when a notification appears, and surveys. If you’re going to do surveys on here do relatively short TapResearch ones. The location rewards alone are why I use this app. The one negative of this app is that the cash out minimum is $25. Definitely worth having on your phone!

15. PointClub - $50

This is a pretty normal survey site. They have a daily login streak bonus that can double the value of your surveys when you reach the max streak which can make a lot of them worth your time. I stopped receiving surveys, so I assume I’m banned? So be careful with this one. Cash out minimums are $25 which is higher than I would like.

16. Survey Monkey Rewards - $49.15

Another one of my favorites. Survey Monkey Rewards is a survey app created by Survey Monkey, a big name in survey development software. Surveys all take under 3-4 minutes and pay either 25 or 35 cents based on length. I almost never disqualify, and you can cash out instantly to Amazon starting at $5. Available on Android and iOS.

17. Earn.com - $71.31

Earn.com lets people pay Bitcoin to contact you. I mostly received BTC to sign up for ICOs and airdrops for random tokens. They were aquired by Coinbase so there are changes to the program. They require a LinkedIn to make an account now as well (I think). If you can get into the program still it is pretty great!

18. MyPoints - $45

This is a sister-site to Swagbucks. I have decent success with their surveys so I use it for that. They have some other ways to earn but I don’t use them. If you have the same success with their surveys it might be worth using.

19. MicroWorkers - $44.16

Basically a smaller and sketchier MTurk. Lots of short tasks with decent earning potential but you have to find the right type of tasks for you. I did the click, search tasks for a while. There is PayPal with a $9 minimum but if I remember right they mail you a physical card with a pin before you can cash out to verify your identity. Not for everyone but worth a look.

20. SurveysOnTheGo - $43.30

This one is pretty simple. Get surveys on your phone, and redeem for Amazon, Visa, PayPal, and Starbucks! Surveys range from $0.50-$10. Some are location based and involve in-store activities. The more involved the surveys are, the more they pay. Don’t expect a ton of surveys, but many of them are worth your time. Available on Android and iOS. Minimum cash out is $10.

21. Survey Junkie - $40

This survey site is average at best. I am having less success with them recently because I can’t be bothered to take a 20 minute survey for $0.90. The one benefit of this site is that they have a VERY small disqualification bonus. Some people do have success taking surveys on here and the cash out minimum is $10.

22. E-Poll - $35

Another survey provider with no disqualifications! Woohoo! You receive email notifications when you have a new survey. Surveys pay $0.50-$2 and are usually not too long. They pay via a points system and you get better rates if you save up for the higher rewards. I cash out for Amazon, and they can take a long time to deliver rewards so be patient.

23. MooCash - $33.60

MooCash pays you to download apps and then open them for 3 days once a day. I have gotten paid as much as $2 for a single app download. They don’t always credit super easily so I would only try the better paying ones. You can cash out for BTC, Amazon, PayPal, and more. You can use my ref code (EHNPNC) when you sign up for some free coins. I think it’s only available to the first 20 people.

24. InstaGC - $33

This is a pretty basic and easy to use GPT site. Very low cashout minimums with lots of options. Check out LiveSample and YourSurveys for a good place to start on surveys.

25. PaidViewpoint (Ref) - $32.65

Short surveys with minimum PayPal cashout of $15. There are short surveys to collect demographic information that pay 10 cents. If you qualify for any of the longer surveys they can pay as much as $1.50. Surveys can be sporadic so just check the site once a day. Worth the time it takes to put into it.

26. UserCrowd (UsabilityHub) - $32.40

UsabilityHub, now rebranded to UserCrowd, pays you to give feedback on websites and products. Each task pays anywhere from 10-50 cents and the minimum cash out is $10. UserCrowd is nice because unlike other usability testing sites you don’t need to record your voice or screen. I leave it in a pinned tab on Chrome and get notifications when there is a new task. They can vary in how often you get them. I enjoy this one, give it a shot.

27. OnePulse - $30

This app has very short surveys with guaranteed rewards. You never disqualify or anything like that. I get a notification that I have a new paid survey about once a week. Surveys pay 30 cents to start but as you “level up” they become worth slightly more. Right now mine are worth 34 cents. Cashout is at $5 via PayPal. Available on iOS and Android.

28. Watchback - $30

This is the best sweepstakes app I have used. You get entries into the sweepstakes by watching videos. Each video is an entry. I watch 10 videos a day and usually win either $0.50 or $1 each day. It pays via Perk points so it’s a nice supplement to your Perk routine. If this keeps being so easy to win I should make a lot more with it next year! Available on Android and iOS.

29. Dabbl - $30

I started using Dabbl towards the very end of the year. They offer short brand-sponsored polls and videos that pay anywhere from 5-20 cents. These are super infrequent and cashing out from these alone would take the better part of a year. Where I earn with Dabbl is their non-passive ads. You get paid 1 cent per ad so I run them when I’m doing other things. It adds up. They don’t offer Amazon so I cash out for Target. Cash outs are at $5. iOS and Android.

30. Gravy - $25

This is a pretty fun game show app. To summarize the game, you pick a percentage that you think a product will sell out at, and if you’re within the closest few people to the right percentage you win a decent little chunk of cash. I’ve won once. You can buy discounted products on here as well. Go check it out, it’s pretty addicting. My ref code is “Leeves” if you want to throw some bonus guesses my way :).

31. KinIt - $25

Take short polls and quizzes and get paid 6-25 cents a day. The unfortunate thing about KinIt is that they very rarely have their gift cards in stock. When they have them in stock they have a decent selection. Still worth your time in my opinion. iOS and Android are supported.

32. Life Fun and Everything - $25

This was an invite-only survey panel that gives me a $2 survey once a month. Found it on some GPT site.

33. Panel - $25

Install Panel on your phone and get paid for sharing your location data. They drastically reduced their pay rate recently so I’m not sure it’s worth it anymore. Previously you could expect to make about $25 a year.

34. Perksy (Ref) - $25

Short polls that pay anywhere from $0.50 to $1. I get about one a week. Only downside is that the minimum cash out is $25. Various gift cards (including Amazon) are available. Definitely worth keeping on your phone. I think it’s iOS only at this time.

35. Swagbucks - $25

One of the easiest GPT sites to use. Lots of offer walls and surveys. I don’t make a lot here but basically just do daily search, daily poll, Swago, and SwagIQ. If I wasn’t banned from their surveys for some reason I might make a little more. I use swagbucks from time to time to find easy offers to do. Overall, a decent place to start of you’re experimenting with beermoney for the first time.

36. Survey Mini- $25

This app uses your location data and pays you 10 cents (sometimes more) to fill out a short poll about stores and restaurants that you go to. They recently added e-gift cards instead of physical cards so that makes it a lot more attractive to use! iOS and Android.

37. IBotta - $20

This is one of the better apps that give you rebates on select grocery items as you shop in-store. If you buy a lot of groceries, there is money to be made here. They also have traditional online cashback portals and offers.

38. Streetbees - $19

This app has surveys with a more personal and fun spin. You get paid via PayPal for each task that you finish. There aren’t always tasks available but when there are, they often pay well. I had one for testing an app that paid $9! It’s a nice option for something a little different than traditional surveys.

39. AttaPoll - $15.29

Attapoll is a survey app that sends you more traditional router surveys (many of which are Cint surveys). You might disqualify quite a bit here depending on your demographic so I stick to the short ones. Payouts are via PayPal, Bitcoin, and Ethereum. PayPal starts at $3 (nice), ETH at $3.50, and BTC at an insane $100. On both Android and iOS.

40. Smores - $15

Smores is an Android lock screen app that pays a flat $0.10 a day for unlocking your device once. Their non-passive video section pays a cent per 2 videos at the moment so that can be a decent earner as well. Cash out as low as $1 for Amazon and other gift cards. I was pretty inconsistent in my daily unlocks this year and hope to increase my earnings next year.

41. Crowdology - $10.04

Very straight forward. Do surveys, get paid. Some people have success with this type of site, and others disqualify a lot. I would stick to any surveys under 10 minutes in length to avoid wasting your time. Cash out for Amazon or PayPal at $10.

42. Achievement - $10

This app pays you based on your steps. I have it connected to Apple Health. It took me about 9 months to earn $10 and I am pretty active. Android and iOS are both supported. Doesn’t run in the background or drain my battery from what I can tell so it’s very passive and harmless.

43. Gamermine (Ref code for $1 bonus) - $10

This is a GPT site with a few offer walls. They have good EngageMe rates as well as a 5 cent daily bonus as long as you’re making a dollar a week on offers on the site. This is basically the only truly passive income that I have made this year from running EngageMe.

44. Cross Media Panel - $10

This is a program through Google that paid you to let them have an extension on your browser and on your phone. They discontinued most of this program so I am no longer earning from them. Parts of this program still exist but I haven’t looked into it much. Probably just worth skipping over at this point.

45. Lifetap - $10

This app is just a garbage survey router now. It used to have some other short guaranteed-pay surveys. I wouldn’t mess with this anymore.

46. PayTime - $9.99

Paytime lets you earn money for your subscriptions by watching ads and answering a few questions about them. You can only cash out once a month because it is supposed to be used for monthly subscriptions. All they do is send you $9.99 via PayPal or Venmo once you watch 40 ads. The catch with PayTime is that you need to be a student at one of the universities that they support. Check their website for the list. Overall, if you are a student it could be an easy $10 a month. Hope to use this more next year.

47. Ready Games - $9.19

Get paid to play games! There is a new game every 48 hours and the top 20% of scores at the end of the time period get paid. The top player makes $7 and the payout decreases as you go down the ranks. I have won somewhere around $2.50 every game that I have made it into the top 20%. Pays via PayPal when you win. On Android and iOS. You can use share code “lucky-disk-68” if you want to give me some extra lives :).

48. Carepoynt - $7

This is a pretty bad healthy living/rewards site. I think they had a few easy ways to earn, like downloading their app, and that’s how I cashed out. There was a post about it so be looking for opportunities like these on the subreddit. I won’t be using this again.

49. Amazon Shipping History Task - $6

Look for tasks like this that get posted on the subreddit. Got paid to submit some shipping data from Amazon.

50. DailyWin - $6

This used to be a scratch card app with a non-passive video section but it seems to be dead. Move along, nothing to see here.

51. CitizenMe - $5.97

Take short polls. Get instantly paid small amounts of money via Paypal. Pays in GBP so if your currency is USD you get to take advantage of that increase in value. Polls are spotty but worth it due to the instant payout (so no minimum or anything like that). iOS and Android.

52. PollPass - $5.15

Answer polls and get paid! Pays via PayPal at $5. Very simple and fun to use. Just answer the polls whenever they are available and watch the points add up. Added this at the end of the year so hope to expand on this next year.

53. Brand Insights Polling - $5

I honestly have no clue how I got paid by them. I think I took a survey that I found from a Facebook ad or something?

54. CashForApps - $5

Get paid to download apps! They don’t pay the best and sometimes have a hard time crediting but still might be worth a shot. The very best paying apps pay around 30 cents. Some pay pennies. Available on iOS and Android. You can use my invite code “4848a6” and get a few free points.

55. EarnWallet - $5

This was a from a promotion that was posted on beermoney for just downloading EarnWallet. Check out the sub for opportunities for occasional promotional opportunities like this.

56. Shopkick - $5

Scan items, check into stores, and earn cash back for buying certain items. Not a huge earner but can be fun to mess around with when you’re out shopping. Available on iOS and Android.

57. Louder Rewards - $5

This app paid $5 Amazon to download 5 apps and use them for 3 minutes. It was a one time offer so I don’t use it anymore. It’s on iOS and Android.

58. Qmee - $4.68

Install their extension and get paid a few cents for random searches that you make. They also have surveys. I use PayPal to cash out and there aren’t any minimums that that’s cool!

59. Google Opinion Rewards - $4.68

This app sends you occasional very short surveys from Google that pay 10-20 cents. Using Google services and being mobile seems to increase the number of surveys that you get. Some people get a lot, some get less. Worth just having on your phone. The iOS app pays via PayPal and the Android app just give you Google Play credits.

60. College Pulse - $5

This app has polls for college students to take. I think you need a .edu email address? Their rewards kinda suck so I stopped using it but they had an offer to cashout for $5 bitcoin to the Ben bitcoin wallet so I did that. Maybe worth it depending on what reward options they have at the time. Android and iOS.

61. Fetch Ref Code For $2-$5 Bonus: XE2XG - $3

Scan receipts and get paid. I get 2.5 cents per receipt on average. They also have products that you can get rebates on when you buy (sorta like iBotta). They only accept grocery store receipts. A good addition to your receipt scanning routine.

62. Quick Survey - $1.61

See my section on iMoney. Very similar but with less apps available and larger fees.

63. CoinOut - $1.02

This is one of the most straight forward receipt scanning apps. It pays 1-5 cents a receipt (typically 2 cents). Cash out starts at $1 for Amazon or PayPal which is way lower than most receipt apps. Very nice. Hope to earn more with this next year. Has both Android and iOS apps.

64. Indeed Job Spotter - $1

This app pays you $0.50 per sign to submit help wanted signs that you find around your city. I have never actually submitted a sign but got paid $0.10 per sign to verify the validity of other people’s signs. I’ve seen people make pretty decent money on here.

65. 1Q - $0.25

This one seemed cool at first. Take short polls, get paid $0.25 instantly via PayPal. The problem is that I never get polls anymore. Others have had the same experience. You might be able to squeak a few cents out of it. Android and iOS.

TOTAL: $3014.92

Hope this helps you guys out, and if you have any questions let me know! Let me know what I should add to my routine :). Thanks to everyone who contributes to this subreddit because I found many of these programs thanks to you! Have a great 2019!
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5 reasons to play on BetFury

5 reasons to play on BetFury

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Nowadays there are many gaming and entertainment dapps on blockchain. And the selection is quite big. Despite BetFury is a young i-gaming platform, it has some distinctive features, which brightly differentiate it from others. For half a year, the BetFury team has been working to create the best gaming experience in the TRON Dapp space. In just 6 months, BetFury managed to grow out from gaming startup to the large platform with the best gaming opportunities. The platform became recognizable and well-known by the whole crypto gaming world. BetFury provides a unique gaming experience for our users. With changes, which came along with the launch of BetFury 2.0, the platform has settled into the Social i-Gaming Crypto platform with the first BTC dividend pool in the gambling industry.
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Kickstarter Roundup: May 27, 2018 | 38 Ending Soon (including: Skull Tales: Full Sail!) & 47 New This Week (including: 5-Minute Dungeon Expansion)

What this is:

This is a weekly, curated listing of Kickstarter tabletop games projects that are either:
All board game projects meeting those criteria will automatically be included, no need to ask. (But the occasional non-board game project may also sneak in!)
Expect new lists each Sunday sometime between 12:00am and 12:00pm PST.

Ending Soon

Project Info Status Backers Avg Pledge Ending Comments
ENVYRA: Simultaneous Action Strategy Game You are part of fascinating Vortex of life where players compete for dominance. There are many strategies, but only one winner! (Has currently earned $7,982 of $4,000) 199% 409 $20 05-28 kicktraq
The Adventure Game Society & Tabletop Game Cafe A fellowship devoted to tabletop games, which includes a gaming & events space, café, streaming studio, and original content creation. (Has currently earned $14,263 of $5,000) 285% 70 $204 05-28 kicktraq #cafe
Eflix's Plague Demon Prince Looking for an ascended general to lead your armies of ruin in the material world ? This Plague Demon Prince is yours to summon ! (Has currently earned €1,090 of €500) 218% 34 €32 05-29 kicktraq #minis
Luxor - Forgotten Treasures Luxor and Pioneers as Kickstarter Special (Has currently earned $102,283 of $5,000) 2045% 921 $111 05-29 kicktraq
Cosmic Run: Regeneration A fun space race for 1-4 players from the designer of Biblios, Herbaceous, and other great games. Flat rate shipping - 20 day campaign. (Has currently earned $21,702 of $17,000) 127% 453 $48 05-29 kicktraq #take2
4 Letter Words A quirky fun strategic word-making card game for all ages. (Has currently earned $337 of $500) 67% 10 $34 05-29 kicktraq
Brook City A cooperative board game where 1-4 players take on the roles of heroic cops inspired by classic action movies. (Has currently earned $112,996 of $60,000) 188% 922 $123 05-29 kicktraq
Iconic Mythical Collection RPG Dice Sets by Kraken Dice Layered polyhedral dice for board games & rpg campaigns. Available in 11pc sets, d10, d6, and our 30pc expanded spellbook. (Has currently earned $515,695 of $20,000) 2578% 6734 $77 05-29 kicktraq #dice
The Ultimate Clap Back: Sometimes You Gotta Cuss Sometimes You Gotta Cuss is the first expansion pack for The Ultimate Clap Back. (Has currently earned $7,865 of $8,500) 92% 127 $62 05-30 kicktraq
Wargaming Corridor Set Multi genre Corridor set for wargaming (Has currently earned $9,460 AUD of $3,000 AUD) 315% 37 $256 AUD 05-30 kicktraq #bling
Mozupro Kickstarter 2018, from our table to yours! Bringing board games from our kitchen table to yours! Based in Tucson AZ the goal of Mozupro is Promoting the Fun in Gaming! (Has currently earned $4,582 of $2,000) 229% 58 $79 05-31 kicktraq
Last One Standing: The Battle Royale Board Game Up to 8 players find themselves on an ever-shrinking map where they must shoot, move and loot to be the last one standing. (Has currently earned $21,912 CAD of $24,000 CAD) 91% 384 $57 CAD 05-31 kicktraq
Archives of the Sky: Epic Sci-fi Roleplaying A collaborative tabletop storygame of galactic scope and threatened ideals. (Has currently earned $5,816 of $3,500) 166% 273 $21 05-31 kicktraq #rpg
Tabletop Tales A fun and entertaining collection of short stories, themed around tabletop gaming - written by gamers, for gamers. (Has currently earned £1,009 of £1,000) 100% 96 £11 05-31 kicktraq #bling
Sparkle*Kitty Nights a perfectly clean card game for the dirtiest minds (Has currently earned $40,325 of $4,000) 1008% 770 $52 05-31 kicktraq
Dungeon Runners A dungeon building experience that is different every time you play! (Has currently earned $14,078 of $40,000) 35% 221 $64 05-31 kicktraq #take2
Friday Night Legends - high school football board game Friday Night Legends, the board game featuring the greatest Texas high school football teams of all time! You are the coach! (Has currently earned $3,171 of $3,000) 105% 14 $227 05-31 kicktraq
Deluxe Metal Meeples Beautiful metal meeples with gorgeous colour enamel, designed by Daniel Solis. (Has currently earned $19,646 AUD of $5,000 AUD) 392% 269 $73 AUD 05-31 kicktraq #bling
Space Cats Fight Fascism: The Board Game Play as a band of rebel cats trying to stop fascists from seizing control of the galaxy in this cooperative board game! (Has currently earned $32,229 of $20,000) 161% 506 $64 05-31 kicktraq
Tricky Tides Sail your merchant ship between islands, delivering goods to earn the most gold! A game by an award-winning designer for 2-4 players. (Has currently earned $17,568 of $8,500) 206% 566 $31 05-31 kicktraq
Patrol: A Coloring Card Game Secret Kickstarter Patrol: A Coloring Card Game secret prototype kickstarter. One last chance to get the 36 card prototype before it is retired. (Has currently earned $622 of $100) 622% 11 $57 05-31 kicktraq #take2
Bundle: A personalized game company A personalized game company that brings people together for life's most celebrated moments. (Has currently earned $13,415 of $10,000) 134% 131 $102 05-31 kicktraq
Race for President Take the podium at an ice-breaking presidential debate and build relationships and trust as you go. (Has currently earned $2,660 of $2,500) 106% 90 $30 05-31 kicktraq
WHISPER Wave 2 - Mech Miniatures WHISPER: Wave 2, designing the next set of WHISPER mecha / mech miniatures for tabletop wargames and mecha fans. (Has currently earned $3,238 of $2,300) 140% 64 $51 05-31 kicktraq #minis
Kodama Duo: Kindred Spirits An inTREEguing two player version of Kodama: The Tree Spirits! (Has currently earned $31,417 of $10,000) 314% 1054 $30 06-01 kicktraq
Daggers: A Tarot Inspired Tavern Game A two player dueling game of wits and deception — for thieves and nobles alike. (Has currently earned $3,485 of $1,000) 348% 168 $21 06-01 kicktraq
ICE CREAM EMPIRE a Fun Strategic Family Tabletop Board Game! ICE CREAM EMPIRE is a fun family tabletop game that teaches kids and the kid inside us all how to build a business one scoop at a time! (Has currently earned $20,843 of $30,000) 69% 145 $144 06-01 kicktraq
Skull Tales: Full Sail! Pirate-themed board game in which you sail the seas in search of treasure, powerful enemies and amazing adventures! (Has currently earned $432,650 of $49,000) 882% 3723 $116 06-01 kicktraq
BFF! – The rpg of girlhood, friendship, and adventure Best Friends Forever is a roleplaying game for 2-6 players of all ages by mother & son design duo: Ross Cowman and Terri Cohlene. (Has currently earned $17,627 of $20,000) 88% 352 $50 06-01 kicktraq #rpg
Kingdoms of Erden: King of the Mountain (Elven Expansion) Collect faction members and dominate the mountain in this fantasy "set collection" strategy card game. Ages 10+ 2-5 players 15-45 min (Has currently earned $365 of $100) 365% 22 $17 06-01 kicktraq #take2
Treasure Mountain Combines worker placement and tile laying to create a unique experience where you can bump other workers off spaces and take the action (Has currently earned $49,673 of $25,000) 198% 640 $78 06-02 kicktraq #take2
Castle von Loghan A unique, time-travelling, competitive Co-op dungeon crawler with deep, original stories, morphing game boards, and diceless combat. (Has currently earned €29,606 of €35,000) 84% 510 €58 06-02 kicktraq
Zoo Break: Chaos. Danger. Heroism. Work together to round up escaping animals in a strategy game full of hidden dangers and zany fun. 2-5 players, ages 8+. (Has currently earned $13,471 of $20,000) 67% 149 $90 06-02 kicktraq
Spin Matcher: Mesmerizing Marine Life Fast-paced memory training board game with STEAM-related content called Spin Matcher. This edition is about "Mesmerizing Marine Life." (Has currently earned $10,496 of $10,000) 104% 39 $269 06-02 kicktraq
Towers of Conquest A Fantasy Tabletop Board Game with strikingly detailed miniatures, intense strategy, resource collecting, and upgradable structures. (Has currently earned $61,304 of $55,000) 111% 361 $170 06-02 kicktraq
Profanity: A Card Game For Smutty People Profanity is a delightfully smutty party game from the creators of Guards Against Insanity. You must be 17+ to back this campaign. (Has currently earned £3,574 of £1,000) 357% 130 £27 06-03 kicktraq
Quiz Quoz A stupidly fun, cleverly crafted trivia board game. For everyone. (Has currently earned £3,758 of £5,500) 68% 139 £27 06-03 kicktraq
Empyreal: Spells & Steam - A Fantasy Railway-Building Game Vie for mystical resources, hire skilled specialists, research new tech, and build railways to industrialize a vast fantasy realm. (Has currently earned $132,512 of $75,000) 176% 1560 $85 06-03 kicktraq

New This Week

Project Info Status Backers Avg Pledge Ending Comments
ecreature cards This is a card game for phone-a-holics and their facebook friends. Pass judgment, confess your addictions, and LOL without your phone! (Has currently earned $65 AUD of $10,000 AUD) 0% 3 $22 AUD 06-26
1347 - The Black Plague Boardgame We are a community with more than 600.000 followers. We make fun of modernity through historical comparisons, we produce gadget & games (Has currently earned €41,631 of €10,000) 416% 879 €47 06-26
5-Minute Dungeon: Curses! Foiled Again! Expansion Curses! Foiled Again! is the long-awaited expansion to 5-Minute Dungeon, a chaotic, co-operative, real-time card game. (Has currently earned $279,204 CAD of $20,000 CAD) 1396% 6520 $43 CAD 06-05 #expansion base game
AC-Goose Story Only 15 minutes game time, improve emotion relationship and promote companionship. (Has currently earned HK$1,082 of HK$28,000) 3% 5 HK$216 06-23
Assembly: A compact solo or cooperative puzzle card game A light, addictive and challenging puzzle card game with a sci-fi twist. It's compact, fast and eminently replayable. (Has currently earned £3,382 of £6,700) 50% 181 £19 06-21
BATTLE: Superheroes vs. Villains A tabletop card game where the Superheroes are trying to save the world, while the Villains are trying to achieve world domination. (Has currently earned $900 of $5,000) 18% 14 $64 06-21
Bitcon: Lose All Your Money A card game for people that want to experience the rollercoaster-like thrills of investing in Bitcoin without losing everything. (Has currently earned $1,077 AUD of $10,000 AUD) 10% 25 $43 AUD 06-21
Castle Madness - The Stars are Right A Lovecraftian cult-building game for 2-4 players in which you are the Old One. (Has currently earned €1,173 of €15,500) 7% 35 €34 06-20 #take2
CastQuest: A new strategic party game with a touch of magic! A description based party game that lets you magically curse your friends whilst competing to collect the right components to a quest! (Has currently earned £1,564 of £3,500) 44% 50 £31 06-29
Demonworld Miniatures Elf Army Book Help launch the fourth book Fasa Game's Demonworld Miniatures Army series, the Elves. (Has currently earned $392 of $1,000) 39% 6 $65 06-24 #expansion base game
Describe - Expanded! Expanding Describe times three. First, more Describe cards. Second, International availability! Third, more games & activities! (Has currently earned $1,385 of $5,000) 27% 35 $40 06-26 #expansion base game
Don't Let It Die Don't Let It Die is re-playable, strategic cooperative experience where 1-4 players must survive and learn how to start their own fire. (Has currently earned $3,484 of $20,000) 17% 78 $45 06-26
Electromagnate - Royal Green Expansion Pack An expansion that adds the Green Royalty characters and three team play support to the Electromagnate board game. (Has currently earned $235 of $100) 235% 9 $26 06-28 #expansion base game
Evil Overlord: Take over the World within 10 minutes! Gather your army, defeat all who stand before you, and become the Evil Overlord you deserve to be! (Has currently earned $2,892 of $1,000) 289% 151 $19 07-01
Fetch Quest - a deck-building game in the Realms of Pugmire A collaborative card game for all ages where the dogs of Pugmire quest for the treasures of Man. (Has currently earned $14,253 of $6,000) 237% 309 $46 06-21
Galactical dice Space dice (Has currently earned €1,390 of €500) 278% 44 €32 06-13 #dice
GUESS DAT A New Orleans-based Guessing & Drinking Game (Has currently earned $1,096 of $5,000) 21% 10 $110 06-19 #lolwut
Helheim Unbound: Core Rulebook A collaborative storytelling tabletop RPG with easy to learn rules. The GM and players work together in building the setting. (Has currently earned $1,772 of $7,250) 24% 46 $39 06-15 #rpg
Herbaceous Sprouts: A Flavorful Dice Game Unwind while enjoying this beautiful and thoughtful game of collecting seeds, using garden tools, and growing herb and flower sprouts. (Has currently earned $46,861 of $20,000) 234% 882 $53 06-19
Heroes Map A tabletop game for one or more players: find the optimal path to win (Has currently earned €433 of €50) 866% 39 €11 07-14
Hordes of Drug Lords: A Cartel Themed Game Build your own drug empire while competing with others who are trying to relieve you of your duties. (Has currently earned $1 of $6,000) 0% 1 NA 06-25
Itchy Monkey: a Battle of Lice Itchy Monkey: Spawn lice, colonize monkeys and become the real king of the jungle. An easy game to learn, but a hard one to master! (Has currently earned €3,299 of €9,000) 36% 164 €20 06-21
King of the Internet A card game with a simple premise: collect Fake Internet Points and become The King of the Internet. (Has currently earned $557 of $12,000) 4% 28 $20 06-20
Medakor - The Spinning Battling Fidget Game Not just a a toy. A spinning coin that has fidget capabilities. It's like dice & a top. For card game, board game players to enjoy. (Has currently earned $2,632 of $8,000) 32% 57 $46 06-23
MORE Cool Dice Bags! Great quality materials and original designs - choose the one you like best or grab a mix! (Has currently earned $2,157 of $500) 431% 105 $21 06-16 #bling
OFMOS - Be the CEO Play it like your favorite strategy game, or use it as a simulation to make business learning more meaningful and more accessible. (Has currently earned $1,618 of $25,000) 6% 16 $101 07-10
One Last Job: a Heist Card Game A 2-player customizable card game about a heist, where an opportunistic crew works to outmaneuver the shadowy Powers That Be (Has currently earned $5,754 of $40,000) 14% 107 $54 07-01
Panic Mode! A cooperative card game of office politics during Disaster Recovery for up to 8 players (Has currently earned $2,319 of $12,000) 19% 56 $41 06-21
Party Fowl: The Game of Drunk Ducks Party Fowl: The Game of Drunk Ducks is an area control game on a modular board where the goal is to be the coolest duck at a party. (Has currently earned $12,952 of $14,000) 92% 290 $45 06-22
Patto Cat the visual challenge card game! Even designer may lose! More than 40 Tricky Patterns to challenge your brain & eye. Let's race and see how many fish you can catch! (Has currently earned HK$20,700 of HK$25,000) 82% 62 HK$334 06-19
Pirates of Penryn! Charm & ferocity 'pon Cornish waters (Has currently earned £2,597 of £9,000) 28% 50 £52 06-23 #take3
Roach Party! The Dice Game of Humans vs. Roaches An easy to learn and simple to play dice game where players take the role of tenants facing an unusual roach infestation. (Has currently earned $742 of $3,000) 24% 26 $29 06-17
SENET & ASEB: Ancient Egypt board games. Two mythical games of ancient Egypt. (Has currently earned €8,309 of €4,500) 184% 134 €62 06-22 #take2
Shadowrun: Sprawl Ops Boardgame Run fast, run hard, and beat the competition in this competitive worker-placement game featuring push-your-luck dice-rolling mayhem. (Has currently earned $62,010 of $25,000) 248% 724 $86 06-19
Show What You Know! A game that designed to test your knowledge in a fun and competitive way. With one minute to win it, this game will be a nail biter. (Has currently earned $3 of $5,000) 0% 3 $1 06-21
Skip55 the arithmetic board game Move by jumping over pieces and capturing the first jumped piece. Your score is the sum of the face value of your captured pieces. (Has currently earned ¥117,169 of ¥100,000) 117% 33 ¥3551 06-06
Somnium: Rise of Laputa A newly discovered continent awaits you! Recruit nobility & sabotage rivals to become the ruler of Laputa in this 15 minute game. (Has currently earned $6,638 of $2,500) 265% 325 $20 06-12
Stonehaven Adventurers 2018 28 mm Pewter Miniatures: Heroes from all walks of life for tabletop wargames, dungeon crawling, role-playing games, and hobby painting. (Has currently earned $11,884 of $5,000) 237% 267 $45 06-22 #minis
SUMTASTIC The brand new, classic board game for playing solo or with friends. (Has currently earned £526 of £650) 80% 17 £31 07-08
The Seals of Cthulhu A strategic bidding and bluffing card game, set within a Cthulhian universe, where 2 players battle for the fate of the world. (Has currently earned $7,635 of $5,000) 152% 339 $23 06-19
THE SINGAPOREAN DREAM: A Singaporean Card Game The Singaporean Dream is a humourous & interactive card game that lets you pay, steal and sabo your way to be the perfect Singaporean. (Has currently earned $6,392 of $10,000) 63% 134 $48 06-29
Through Gamer Goggles Season 8 Season 8 of Through Gamer Goggles returns for another year of great gaming coverage, with an improved focus on RPGs and Wargaming. (Has currently earned $181 of $2,000) 9% 12 $15 06-21 #show
Tiny Ninjas - Battle in a Box Transform the game box in this fast-action card & dice game. Play anywhere, play everywhere! (Has currently earned $16,439 CAD of $8,000 CAD) 205% 390 $42 CAD 06-23 #take2
Undead Orc Skeleton Warriors and Cavalry undead orc skeleton warrior and cavalry figures in 28mm (Has currently earned $1,381 of $1,000) 138% 12 $115 07-02 #minis
Yokai Septet A 3 to 4 players trick-taking card game about capturing Yokai, spirits and demons appearing in Japanese folklore. (Has currently earned $4,909 of $5,000) 98% 205 $24 06-21
Z First Impact - English Language Edition An English-language edition of the hit French boardgame, Z First Impact! (Has currently earned $3,782 of $50,000) 7% 49 $77 06-22
Zombie Legacy - a character driven, co-op legacy game An apocalypse survival game for 2-5 players. Explore the city and fight zombies. Find secrets, choose who to trust & create your story. (Has currently earned $6,085 of $20,000) 30% 94 $65 06-19
Looking for more comprehensive Kickstarter gaming information? Check out the meta listings on BGG, explore Kicktraq's data-driven views, or, of course, Kickstater's Tabletop Category.

Footnotes

  • #hmm means that something about the project seems a little off. Buyer beware kinda thing.
  • #lolwut is reserved for projects that seem like trainwrecks. Check 'em out for amusement.
  • #take tags are for projects that have been restarted for some reason, with the number indicating what iteration we're currently on.
  • Did I miss something? Particularly stuff that might go in the Comments column? Let me know and I'll add it in.
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[22:12] it's not like I'm going to be offended that someone feels that way [22:12] but it's not healthy to be a dick about it, and that's kind of the only way that I can think to be able to deal with it [22:12] I guess, that's not a bad way to think about it [22:12] if you're having trouble dealing with it [22:12] I guess I just have to accept that I am not an expert on that [22:12] but I do have the most basic understanding of the concept [22:12] and I have always known what a "dissociative" is [22:12] and that they are in fact a distinct psychological state [22:13] I didn't have to google to find out [22:13] and in fact I have been working on a book on dissociative phenomena for a number of years [22:13] you mean you were trying to find out what they were? [22:13] i just finished [22:14] i got the manuscript finished and submitted a copy [22:14] well, the "book" is still on your todo list [22:14] i'm very anxious to publish [22:15] what about the research? are you doing any research on it? [22:15] and yes [22:16] some, but the bulk of my effort is in trying to make sense of it [22:16] what are you doing to help us understand it? [22:16] and i have a blogpost of my own that goes into the background of the phenomenon [22:16] it would be great if you could tell us a little about it [22:16] it sounds as if the phenomenon has something to do with people who have had a life-altering experience [22:17] and that the thing they have experienced is so powerful that it is capable of completely altering a person's personality [22:17] (well, that and the fact that a person who had such an experience could have access to the internet) [22:17] i'm sorry, but why not just tell us about it in full detail, instead of asking me a bunch of question and letting me decide what to ask [22:18] it would be very convenient to you [22:18] if you hadnt decided not to talk about it until after i had. [22:18] if you want to know more, it's quite common for people with this kind of problem to share their stories. [22:18] (i'm not sure if its normal, but i can assure you its not something i wouldn't ever do to any of you) [22:19] so i don't know what you're implying by saying you're uncomfortable with talking about it? [22:19] i'm just saying that i'm not going to force you to talk about it just because you told me it was hard to talk about [22:19] ok. [22:20] so this is it: you must come here with me now [22:20] ok [22:20] and I'll go to the other rooms and meet everyone. [22:20] I want to make this a place for everyone [22:21] ok [22:21] i'll talk to you when i get there [22:21] OK, I need a little more detail [22:22] What's the plan for getting it into the house? [22:22] well i'll let you know when i get there [22:22] Ok, thanks [22:22] i'll be back around 12:30 and ill be there [22:23] I've sent you a PM for the key and I'll be waiting for you to talk to her [22:23] lol [22:23] *key [22:23] ouch [22:24] But that's just me [22:24] You can't just go and do it like that, y'know? [22:24] lol [22:25] but if it's just a matter of asking me nicely, i don't mind [22:25] just send it to me and i'll do it [22:25] if that's what you want [22:25] I've never asked you to do anything but that, and I know you haven't, but, that's my opinion [22:26] I mean, if it helps you out a little bit, maybe I could just... [22:26] Vorpas, that's okay. I mean, I think you're pretty amazing, I do, I do. I just don't know what you want to do with your life. I think I'd like to try and get the people that are in the game to understand the power and the importance of the community. I mean, when you're playing against, when you see a really bad player, you can tell that that player is having fun, that they are having fun playing the game, because they are making a lot of money, and then you can just understand that it would be fun to play, and there would be a lot of money to be made by just playing the game. And I think the players that are playing it, maybe they don't know what's happening, and maybe they have the wrong idea about it. But it's okay, I'm not going to judge them, it's their own opinion and they're free to believe whatever they want to believe. [22:27] But, I'm just gonna leave that part up to you. [22:27] Cool. [22:27] So I'm just gonna be, like, really happy for you, 'cause I know you've been putting a lot of work into this. [22:28] You are doing it so well! [22:28] And I really appreciate that, like, for the last few months, it's been a struggle to stay motivated enough to do this. [22:28] I am a bit concerned about how long this will take. [22:28] I am just going to say this, if I'm going to continue doing this, I want you guys to stay around. [22:29] Well, I would love to keep helping, but I'm not sure what my plans are at the moment. [22:29] If you were to make a donation, that would be fantastic [22:29] You know, the donations are very helpful. I just thought that it might be good to keep track of who donated what. [22:29] Vorpas_Jabwak, I can try to get someone to check if this was indeed you that made the donation? [22:29] Oh, yeah. [22:29] Thanks! [22:29] You've probably never received one before, but if you were, that would be awesome. [22:30] Just wanted to let you know the new version of Mumble is being released and working on the beta channel. [22:31] If you do have the software I'd love to hear some feedback. I have a lot of questions for it. [22:32] I have a lot of questions for it too, but it's a bit complicated so I might not get a chance to do that anytime soon. I'll make sure to get on that when it is ready. [22:33] I'm glad you like it, I know I really do. I love having an easier to use, but powerful, voice chat. [22:34] I'd really like to make some more changes to the system, and try it out as a whole. But right now it's pretty darned good. [22:35] Thanks Jak. :) [22:35] I'll try my best to keep them updated. [22:35] Ok, I'll let you know when I get to them, Jak [22:35] Sorry if I didn't keep up with you guys. [22:36] Haha, sorry. [22:36] I'll see you around, Jak [22:36] *takes off* [22:36] Sup everyone? [22:36] I'm out [22:36] *in [22:37] sup [22:37] Hey! [22:37] So are you guys all there yet? [22:37] :P [22:38] * Turoth sets mode: +b KhaosReigns [22:38] Oh! I thought you all quit on me [22:38] * Turoth sets mode: +b KhaosReigns+ [22:38] So uh, what's my problem? [22:38] I was hoping you'd tell me to stop [22:38] I was so upset [22:38] I'm sorry [22:38] I should have been better [22:39] I didn't mean to startle you [22:39] You've just always made me feel like I could take care of myself [22:39] I guess I didn't realize that it takes a lot of people to keep the lights on [22:40] I'm sorry, I've never been this shy around people [22:40] It's been such a long time [22:41] This whole situation is just a shock [22:41] I'm starting to feel really nervous [22:41] I have to go home now [22:42] Ok [22:42] I'll see you later [22:42] Ohh, bye [22:42] Take care [22:42] Yeah, it's a long way home [22:42] Have a nice night [22:42] Thanks for everything. I had fun. [22:42] night [22:42] I hope you have a good night. [22:42] Have a nice night. [22:42] Thanks. [22:42] Have a good night. [22:42] Good night [22:42] How is everyone? [22:42] I'm fine. [22:42] Tired, but fine. [22:42] Yeah. [22:43] i dont know what happened [22:43] Don't know yet, so I'm trying to get the details. [22:43] I went out to get food [22:43] got a pizza, was eating it when I was interrupted by my girlfriend [22:43] and she was saying she wanted to see me [22:43] i don't even know where i am right now [22:44] so she called me at work this morning and said 'well, i'm sorry i couldn't make it for you today', and i had to tell her 'okay' [22:45] i cant find her or the phone number or anything [22:45] i was just in the car, and she was in the kitchen [22:45] it must of been a while [22:45] i think she was off last night [22:46] that's funny that you would call me like that [22:46] then you should know that she has been off for a while [22:46] she said she was sick, and i think she said she was going to stay home and rest and it wasn't till today that i found out the truth [22:46] yeah it's a real bummer that it was a false alarm [22:46] like i said she could have possibly been sick but wasnt being honest about it [22:46] it is a big bummer that we wasted so much time on it, but it doesn't change that we found her body [22:46] yeah we know how the night went, we just dont know if she was really asleep when the phone rang [22:46] i just wish she would have just told us the truth instead of getting her feelings hurt [22:46] the real question is: why is it a phone? [22:46] that's all i got [22:46] so that's it [22:46] yeah and she's got to go find out if she's pregnant [22:46] and i guess there's no point in trying to hide the pregnancy [22:46] she said it was just a few days ago [22:46] wait what [22:46] maybe her parents are going to find it [22:46] ok [22:46] maybe if her parents find out she's pregnant [22:46] they'll just throw you out [22:46] they will [22:47] why do you think she was crying? [22:47] well, I mean, I know it's weird but [22:47] no, you're right [22:47] I mean, it was pretty strange [22:47] she just seemed, well [22:47] I don't think she could have known the guy or not [22:47] there's been plenty of reports of people getting "paedo" on the site [22:47] so it could have just been that her brain just caught on [22:47] like that one guy who was arrested last year for having a lot of chatroom porn [22:47] which is like a whole different thing [22:48] and it just happened to be in that section that she kept checking [22:48] yeah [22:48] like it's not like she has this huge fucking file of porn on her computer [22:48] so if it happens to be in one place, it's not like she's a big fucking voyeur [22:49] but still, she was watching the entire thing [22:49] yes, and that is probably why the guy stopped her [22:49] I can see your point of view [22:50] and it was also in that section that she just kept checking [22:50] yes, and I can say that she just seemed so interested in the guy that she wouldn't mind if he was watching [22:50] and that's not exactly the case with me either [22:50] but, if she's only interested in other men, then she's obviously gay [22:51] which is just something to remember [22:51] and she's so smart, but I can't see her getting on with me [22:51] she has a crush on me, but I don't even know where to start [22:52] I was at a party in NY, and someone I knew was talking to her, and they had been flirting. I didn't get a chance to respond, but I am a nice guy. She said she didn't want to talk about it any more. I am a nice guy, and I know that flirting is bad, but I also know that I like her and I think that there's a chance that it could go somewhere. I want to have a relationship with her, I don't really know where to start [22:52] you'd have to ask her yourself [22:52] but it seems like you don't have to [22:52] but if that's your only point she can't really say something else... [22:52] i think if you were to say you didn't want to have sex with her, you would lose her... [22:52] i'm not even really interested in that right now [22:53] it just seems like she wants to have sex with you [22:53] and is hoping that you'll say yes [22:53] i guess so... [22:53] but she doesn't seem to be trying to win your votes [22:53] maybe she's just trying to piss you off [22:54] and you don't have the time to argue with her [22:54] the internet is a bitch. [22:54] but i know she's just trying to be funny [22:54] and to make a point [22:54] so why can't i? [22:54] yeah [22:54] what do you mean? [22:54] jalockk: i've never seen a single one of these people [22:54] but i see them every day [22:54] and they say the same shit [22:54] we don't like the idea of them being taken out because they are not the ones we really are against [22:54] well i don't think we need to be very big to do that [22:54] but they are a part of it [22:55] the people that dont like us [22:55] the people that are behind all this [22:55] or just the people [22:55] not the people [22:55] it's the people that don't have an opinion [22:56] we should never let our ignorance define us [22:56] well we're doing it now [22:56] and it's not even funny [22:56] it's just sad [22:56] no it's a serious problem [22:56] it's not funny [22:56] and the truth is sadder [22:56] i don't understand why he hates himself so much [22:56] is it because of the death [22:56] or the lies he told [22:56] that's what im trying to figure out too [22:57] not that there is an obvious answer to why he does what he does [22:57] i think he is a pretty shitty person [22:57] the lies hurt more [22:57] i really really wish i could understand [22:58] that's why i'm here to explain the way out [22:58] if i explain it to you in words [22:58] well i don't know you [22:58] i have to explain it to you in a way that makes sense to you [22:58] in english [22:58] and that's how [22:58] this whole thing starts with a picture of a woman [22:58] holding up a phone with the words "HELLO" on the screen [22:58] it's a picture of me [22:58] It's a pic of me in a hat [22:58] and i'm in the hat [22:58] which isnt me [22:58] i'm the one with the hat [22:59] i wear a hat to hide my face [22:59] and when i say this i don't really say "i'm the hat" [22:59] i say "i'm the hat" [22:59] oh okay [22:59] ok let me get this straight [22:59] if we're talking about the "why" [22:59] what the actual, fucking, fuck [22:59] why did she do it [22:59] the "when" part I'm not clear about [22:59] i'd assume that's the part we're discussing [22:59] ok i'm getting out of this [22:59] but yeah the "what" [22:59] yeah [22:59] and it seems like the "how" [22:59] isnt really a big deal [22:59] i think it is [22:59] the fact that we all agree on what it is [22:59] and are people who say its a big deal really saying it on the op? or is it on the op, and people who say its a big deal are just assholes? [22:59] we're pretty fucking certain it's not a big deal [22:59] if you're not convinced [22:59] please say so in the thread [22:59] i'd love to hear your arguments [22:59] the op is just a big deal, it is a huge deal, we've done the math, and there is no downside [22:59] we've actually spent the last 2 days talking about it [22:59] it doesn't really have any consequences on us, as we won't do anything stupid [22:59] we'd be better off not having it in the first place [22:59] it doesn't really matter [22:59] I know I'm a bit biased but... this whole thing feels like it's been set up to be solved by trolls [22:59] not to mention that we can already see a lot of the stuff they are talking about, they just don't want to talk about it [22:59] it's not like they would go back to it and say "we got this, so why don't you shut up!" [22:59] It's frustrating to see them try and keep this open... but it's a shame to see what happens when they fail. [22:59] I love how it seems like the more they try to keep it secret, the more they are forced to keep it open [22:59] :O [23:00] well we don't know yet what they have planned for the next phase but there's a lot of work to be done [23:00] no one knows what we'll be doing now, so if we do everything right, we could actually end up with some more power [23:00] i'm not saying we'll get that, we'll have to wait and see [23:00] maybe i'm just a bit optimistic [23:00] or maybe i'm just stupid? [23:01] i dunno i don't care anymore [23:01] just wait it out [23:01] no time to waste [23:01] let them make it as easy as possible [23:01] and keep an eye on what they say next [23:01] well that could mean some kind of delay [23:01] like they are going to push it out [23:01] well, that's their prerogative [23:01] what they said a month ago is what they're saying now? [23:01] Ok, I'm gonna leave this here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woot\_com [23:01] but I can't find the link right now. :( [23:01] it's been posted to the website of the US government [23:01] so you know it's legit [23:02] oh. Ok. [23:02] so it's legit [23:02] ok. [23:02] So, we're not really at the point of doing the whole, "we have a solution" thing, so much as a "we have a general idea" thing. [23:03] i think that's what we're going for [23:03] the problem, in my experience, is that it's hard for people to really figure out what you're talking about. I would assume that with a lot of the work that's going on there are some people who are really good at solving it. I'm not. [23:04] i mean, it is sort of in the realm of "people" [23:04] that we've been able to make progress on this, so i am assuming you have done a lot of that work? [23:04] i would have to ask someone else how they are doing it [23:05] in terms of the algorithms they use [23:05] or other tools [23:06] http://bitinfocharts.com/blocksize-and-bitcoin-future-chart/ [23:06] but i don't know how you guys did it in a way that is also practical [23:06] no problem. it's been done. [23:06] just don't expect anyone to do it for you [23:07] i'll have to ask you that one [23:07] if you have a better idea please post it here and we'll discuss it [23:07] but if we don't have a better idea then we don't know what you're talking about [23:08] it's not our fault they are doing it [23:08] they do it to us [23:08] we don't have any other solution [23:08] but they have access to your wallet [23:09] you are paying for access to it [23:09] so they are getting access [23:09] you are paying to keep their access to your wallet [23:10] I am paying to keep your access to your wallet [23:10] they are making you do it [23:10] i am paying them to keep access to my wallet [23:10] that is what i have been told to do [23:10] what i was told to do [23:10] i am also paying them for this access [23:10] I am not paying to keep access to my wallet for them [23:11] I am paying them for this access [23:11] to mine in their account for them [23:12] well, that was fun [23:12] oh, that's too bad [23:12] it's all for you [23:12] you are mining it for them [23:12] so much for that [23:12] but then you are the victim of a scam, not me [23:13] oh, ok [23:13] it's a good thing you are aware now, because that is a great way to get scammed [23:13] so what's up? [23:14] ok [23:14] we've been looking for you for a while now and we can't find you. [23:14] ok. so what's up? [23:15] the last time you were on IRC we started doing our own investigation and you didn't know where you were or how long you'd been gone [23:15] so we thought that since you weren't there anymore that it had to be a scam [23:15] which it is [23:15] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0bzvq8Fx7Y [23:15] yeah. but it doesnt tell you that [23:15] you gotta ask [23:15] you got that right [23:16] alright. let me see if I can find something similar [23:16] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUZpwWg1g\_s [23:16] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFwX4jJYqhI [23:16] i have a different one [23:16] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h\_h2rK4V7ZM [23:16] it is shorter [23:16] it has less information [23:17] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYpq6H2jkZg [23:17] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYpq6H2jkZg [23:17] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYpq6H2jkZg [23:17] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYpq6H2jkZg [23:17] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYpq6H2jkZg [23:17] http ://www.youtube.com [23:17] http://www.youtube.com [23:17] http://www.youtube.com [23:17] ok I have been listening [23:18] let me hear your response to the question "why are you talking on the radio?" [23:18] "The answer to that is because I was just trying to communicate with the community" [23:18] why do you think it's a good idea to try to communicate with the community? [23:18] you don't need to ask, we're going to have a drink [23:18] let me get you something to drink [23:18] i will be back later [23:18] in like 2 mins [23:18] can you hear me? [23:18] yes, I can hear you [23:18] are you a bot? [23:18] no, i am human [23:19] oh [23:19] good to know [23:19] you're just very very drunk, i guess [23:19] just go to sleep [23:20] you just have to go to sleep [23:20] and it'll be over by the morning [23:20] i'll wait [23:21] but it was only a few hours ago [23:21] and i said it wouldn't be [23:21] so i'm guessing you can't help it [23:21] so is it over? [23:21] not sure if you can help it or not, but if you have any questions or suggestions, do send them to me [23:22] but yeah, there is no immediate threat at all [23:22] but i dont know what to do at the moment, maybe i should move everything to another server [23:22] but i have the code and the rpc server [23:22] you can do that? [23:22] yeah, just let me know what you want [23:22] okay, how do i run rpc from my localhost? [23:22] just open up a terminal and run "rpcuser -i 127.0.0.1" [23:22] okay [23:22] let's go back to maint [23:22] I'm going to add another option to run the wallet (wallet.conf) as a non root user [23:22] I'm going to add rpcuser as an option, and rpcpassword as a second option [23:22] and then run as root [23:23] okay, so what do i want the output of this command to be [23:23] the output should be something like "1" [23:23] what should i put in the command? [23:23] for now, i'll just type it out [23:23] rpcuser=myuser rpcpassword=mypassword [23:23] run_in_remote.sh --port=21 --listen=127.0.0.1:2222 [23:23] you should be able to type that in [23:23] and it should go through ok. you should see something like this: [23:23] [00:11] [23:21] [00:20] [23:23] what do i do to make the next post more visible? [23:23] can someone send a screenshot of the reddit post to me? [23:23] @emmaw [23:23] i can give you my address in case you want to send something there [23:23] you're welcome [23:23] well im going to have to ask the mod team that question now [23:23] thanks for the offer, we'll think about it [23:23] :) [23:23] i'll give you the link soon, also [23:23] but please don't PM me about that :) [23:24] sure [23:24] i'll leave it with you [23:24] but i'll check it again [23:24] later [23:25] so is this the one with the red pill? [23:25] or redpilled? [23:25] redpilled [23:25] redpilled [23:25] ok [23:25] thanks [23:25] I got the link [23:25] yeah [23:25] this is a very big deal [23:25] I'm in a hurry, so I can't see the link, but what you're doing is a lot more powerful than most of what I've ever heard before [23:26] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjf7hKQ6uQg [23:26] that's a pretty long video [23:26] yeah [23:26] there's lots of cool stuff in there, too [23:26] it has a nice flow to it, too [23:26] so, you have to remember: don't focus on the structure, focus on the content [23:27] i see [23:27] not sure if thats just me though [23:27] its a good thing to have [23:27] not sure why the devs don't do it, but there are some good reasons [23:27] yeah i got your point [23:27] im happy to make it easy for you [23:27] and for other devs to do it as well [23:27] (at least a few of the devs are here to see this) [23:27] we could even get a group of devs to go talk to the press and try to have the topic in a few of the big gaming sites [23:28] this could be a great way to get the game out and to everyone else [23:28] and then we can move onto the next thing [23:28] if this is successful I think we can even get some of the smaller ones to try it [23:28] also if any of the other big ones do it this will get them in on the process
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Clearing up some misconceptions (including my own) [WARNING: LONG, MATH]

I've been reviewing NAV's code for the past couple months in my spare time and have seen a few things pass for granted which I had assumed were edicts from the NAV team, but as it turns out, they were not. I'll just cover them in sections below. This is going to get long, and hopefully you like math. I'm sorry, in advance.

Coins do not gain weight with age

tldr; section title
This is the big one, and the reason I wanted to review NAV's code in the first place. I had been treating this unofficial medium article like it was the bible, and it mentions that coins are weighted with age and size. No other documentation I could find indicated any differently (honestly, there's not really other documentation, in the first place) and so, having not finished looking into the code, I presumed that was simply true.
It is not, however. I'm not even sure where this idea came from, besides that article, because no NAV team announcements I've seen have said this, but maybe I'm just not looking back far enough.

So how DOES it work?

tldr; values are hashed together and compared against a target. That target is adjusted based only on how many NAV are staking
For those who haven't looked into how NAV picks the next group of staking coins (like I hadn't), the way it works is that a bunch of publicly available values (such as the time of the block you want to make, the time and hash of the transaction that represents your coinstake, and a few others) are hashed twice through SHA256 to create a random number. The actual values input are less important, what is important for NAV's purposes is that they are available to everyone, reasonably unique, and can be verified by other nodes on the blockchain. The output is, mathematically speaking, reproducible, but also completely random.
This value is then checked against a target value that changes based on how fast the network is making blocks. If the network is making blocks around once every three seconds? The target value gets harder (smaller). If the network is making blocks around once every minute? The target value gets easier (larger). The target value just gets adjusted until the network is sitting comfortably at 30 second blocks. So far this is the same way Bitcoin keeps their block time consistent.
However, PoS currencies then usually make an adjustment to that target value to increase your chances to win. In NAV's case, they multiply the target value by the number of coins you are staking. This means that a group of 1000 coins is 1000 times more likely to stake than a group of 1 coin.
To use more accessible numbers, since the values NAV is using are huge, this would be like saying the base odds are that you have to roll a 2 or below on a 100-sided die to win the coinstake. For one roll, you have a 2% chance. For two rolls, you have a 3.95% chance, for three rolls you have a 5.88% chance, for ten you have a 18.29% chance. For n rolls, a 1 - (98^n)/(100^n) chance. To simplify this somewhat, and encourage larger groups, NAV simply says that if you have 10 coins, your chances are 10 * 2%, or 20%. It's a bit more, but it's close.
It's worth noting that, using this system, if you have 50 coins, you have a 100% chance to win every roll, whereas pure single-roll odds only give you a 63.58% chance. The reason this isn't really a problem is that, in this example, there would only be 50 coins in existence, and you probably don't even have access to half of them. Additionally, if you are winning too quickly, NAV will start handing you a 200 sided die, then a 400 sided die, until you are only winning one in 30 -- and this is assuming you're the only one playing. With a table of people, you will get a larger die until only one of you is winning one roll in 30.

Majority Attacks

tldr; if coins gained weight with age it might be an actual security concern. This way is not
The problem with Proof of Stake Age (PoSA) is that, if implemented poorly, it can create opportunities for very cheap attacks. You may have heard of a 51% attack (or majority attack) before. This is where any single entity in the Bitcoin network gains more than 50% of the hashing power. At 51% the chances of them mounting a successful network control attack are now greater than half, which presents a potential danger to the network.

In PoW

tldr; you need lots of fancy computers that you get to keep after
You need a lot of hashing power, which means a lot of computers, which means a lot of financial capital. Or, you need to combine with another organization or pool to combine your hashing power. This was actually a concern once in Bitcoin, but fortunately was resolved to no ill-effect, and ghash.io agreed to cut down their processing. In a PoW system, however, after you have executed your attack, you still have all of your computers, and can use them for something else. The financial capital you have invested is kept, and you never had to invest a single penny into the coin.

In PoS

tldr; you need lots of coins that you probably spent a lot of money on, which are probably worth very little after
In PoS currencies, a 51% attack is still possible, but in this case you would need to have more than half of the staking coins. As of a few days ago, the network weight was hovering around ~18-22 million NAV, so for NAV, you would need ~10-12 million coins to have the requisite 51% of coins. The base assumption for a PoS currency, however, is that, once you have that many coins, you're pretty invested in the network, and it is directly detrimental to you to attempt to attack it. When you execute your attack, you will likely greatly damage trust in the coin, and lose a large portion of your investment. At least, this is the theory.

In PoSA

tldr; you need a little bit of money and a lot of time
You just need to wait. The most simplistic form of PoSA is in the form: adjusted_target = coins * time * base_target. If left uncapped, the time adjustment can allow a single coin stake to outweigh the entire network. Even with a cap of three months (for a total of 7776000 age-weight), you could use a mere 797 individual 0.01 NAV stakes (7.97 NAV total) to outweigh the combined base weight of all 62 million NAV in existence. You want good actors to have the most weight on the network, but in a PoSA currency, good actors are constantly losing their weight when their time resets, whereas bad actors can get more weight for doing nothing.

In PoST

tldr; you need a little bit of money and to somehow create a bunch of coins with the same hashing window
There are some currencies, such as VeriCoin, which have attempted to address this in novel ways, using what they call Proof of Stake Time. They create an ideal window during which your coins gain weight, but after which they return to base levels. This should theoretically encourage people to keep a server running, so they can always catch that window when it happens, which is partially randomized (to prevent someone from simply making a bunch of 0.01 coinstakes at the same time and just waiting for the window). I'm not sure how battle-tested this is, and I can think of a few potential vectors for attack that might exist, depending on implementation, but it does present an interesting and promising approach to the problem of how to encourage everyone on the network to participate, instead of just large stake holders with good odds.

So how likely is it for me to actually get a stake with ___ NAV

tldr; at current network weights it's likely that 1000 NAV will stake around once a week, and 1 NAV will stake once every 17 years.
Since NAV is neither PoSA nor PoST (which I would stress isn't a bad thing, because pure PoS is comparatively simple and has known -- and addressed -- vectors of attack. It's also not necessarily a good thing; it's mostly just a thing), you're basically just as likely to stake today as you are tomorrow. Theoretically, every second should present a new opportunity to win a stake, but in practice this ends up not quite working out because there are other people on the network. Every time you accept a new block, you cut off all of the seconds before it forever. In practice, it's probably easiest to just look at the total weight of the network, and your weight, and extrapolate from there. We'll take for granted that NAV will have 30 second block times for this calculation. If you've got Python you can follow along:
>>> # 2 blocks/min * 60 min/hr * 24 hday * 365 days/year ... TOTAL_STAKES_IN_YEAR = 1051200 >>> # 60 sec/min * 60 min/hr * 24 hday * 365 day/yr ... SECONDS_IN_YEAR = 31536000 >>> # the number of coins you are staking ... stake = 1.0 >>> # The total number of coins on the network ... network_weight = 18701284.96584108 >>> my_stakes_per_year = (stake / network_weight) * TOTAL_STAKES_IN_YEAR 0.05621004128433283 >>> seconds_between_stakes = SECONDS_IN_YEAR / my_stakes_per_year 561038548.9752324 
For those keeping track, this means that a 1 NAV stake is expected to take approximately 17.79 years to see a return in the current network (and, even then, only if you happen to be online at exactly the right time and nobody else stakes it first). Coincidentally, this is where that "expected time to stake" number comes from, which I've seen people asking about. I didn't actually look that one up in the code, so I'm not sure how their exact equation differs from mine, but I arrived at the exact same numbers they did, so it's likely similar (and probably more concise, because I am both a verbose writer and programmer, if you hadn't noticed). A 1000 NAV stake, using what I am calling network math for ease of reference, is expected to take around 6.49 days. My suspicion is that the reason this is sometimes more sporadic is that going by the target alone, and testing every second, a 1000 NAV stake should be getting a hit around once every 8 hours. I generated a file of 31536000 hashes (one for each second in the year), using the rules NAV uses to create hashes, and came up with the following table.:
*Assumes a target of 0x1a183258. I forget which block I pulled this from, but it's still around there. This unpacks to a value of: 0x0000000000001832580000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Calc wins : Mathematical calculation for how many hashes you should win, given the target Hash wins : This was pulled from the file with a year's worth of random hashes. N-M Wins : The number of wins network math says you should get Hash time : The average time between wins in the randomized file for the given NAV amount N-M time : The amount of time network math says you should wait between wins NAV : Calc wins : Hash wins : N-M wins : Hash time : N-M time 1 : 1.05 : 1 : 0.05 : ~1 year : 17.79 years 5 : 5.29 : 7 : 0.28 : 41.66 days : 3.56 years 10 : 10.59 : 10 : 0.56 : 34.27 days : 1.78 years 50 : 52.95 : 44 : 2.81 : 7.49 days : 129.87 days 100 : 105.89 : 107 : 5.62 : 3.42 days : 64.94 days 200 : 211.79 : 212 : 11.24 : 41.24 hours : 32.47 days 500 : 529.48 : 532 : 28.11 : 16.39 hours : 12.99 days 1000 : 1058.97 : 1050 : 56.21 : 8.33 hours : 6.49 days 2000 : 2117.93 : 2109 : 112.42 : 4.15 hours : 3.25 days 5000 : 5294.83 : 5326 : 281.05 : 98.62 minutes : 1.30 days 1000000 : 1058966.42 : 1058455 : 56210.04 : 29.79 seconds : 9.35 minutes 
So obviously, a bit of disparity between the target-based times and the network calculated times. I would guess this has to do with other people on the network cutting you off from time values, and orphaned transactions where you did get the right value, but somebody else made a weightier one, but this is where my ability to really verify exactly what is happening starts dwindling. The disparity in N-M wins and Calc wins indicates that the target is currently too easy, and should adjust upwards, because right now coins on the network are 18.84 times weightier (calc wins column / n-m wins column) in hashing power than they should be based on the total network weight. But this is also where the whole "50 groups of 1 coin has a 63.58% chance to hit 2/100 whereas 1 group of 50 coins has a 100% chance to hit 100/100" thing comes into play.
Since the network is largely broken up into groups of, on average, 1500 coins, we're actually looking at ~12467.52 groups of 1500 coins vying to win any given block. Given the target, a group of 1500 coins should have a 0.0050369...% chance to win any given coinstake ((target * 150000000000) / maximum_hash_value). This means that the chance that at least one of the 12467.52 staking groups will match for a given second is 1 - (1 - 0.000050369...)^12467.52 = 0.4663, or 46.63%. This places the actual amount that coins are overweight a bit closer to 13.989 times. (network should have ~1/30 chance (3.33...%) to win any given second, 46.63 / 3.33...% = 13.989).
However, as mentioned, the software itself can get in the way of that, so this might just be due to a quirk of how the NAV software searches for matches, since it will abandon any seconds prior to the most recently accepted block. If you were cut off from 13 seconds in every 100, that would account for the weight disparity. In any case, I would probably trust the network math times over the pure math ones, if you're just trying to get a feel for how long you'll likely wait between stakes. What this really translates to is that, although a 1 NAV stake will probably have one second out of the year that will hash in it's favour, even running 24/7 you're likely to miss 17 of those before you actually have all the right conditions to win.
Interestingly, I did manage to find one 9.99 NAV stake that won after only 5 days; so it can happen. But it's all still random.

How does this affect my staking rewards?

tldr; it doesn't
Fortunately, NAV pays out the amount you should receive down to the second. Let's take this block at random. 1119.84133642 NAV coinstake, generated 3.82575342 NAV. The time of the previous transaction that created that coinstake was 1514741456 (see the "Raw Transaction" tab). The time of the current transaction is 1514741456. that's all we need to go on.
>>> SECONDS_IN_DAY = 86400 >>> DAYS_IN_YEAR = 365 >>> CENT = 1000000 # .01 NAV >>> COIN = 100000000 # 1.0 NAV >>> REWARD_PERCENT = 5 * CENT # will be 4 * CENT with community fund >>> # All NAV amounts in satoshi (navtoshi? natoshi?) ... stake = 111984133642 >>> # time of this stake ... stake_time = 1516896224 >>> # time of the transaction that made this stake >>> stake_prev_time = 1514741456 >>> # I'm not 100% positive why it converts to cent/seconds first, ... # but this is what the code does, so we need to as well if we ... # want to be accurate ... cent_seconds = (stake * (stake_time - stake_prev_time)) // CENT 241299827679 >>> # Now they undo the cent_seconds for some reason? I'm not sure. ... # This does, however, create a minimum coin stake for any given time. ... # 1 NAV, for instance, will not generate anything if it stakes until ... # it is exactly one day old (with a whopping 0.00013698 NAV). ... # The minimum NAV stake you can get a reward from if you get lucky ... # and stake at the end of two hours is 11 NAV. ... coin_day = ((cent_seconds * CENT) // COIN) // SECONDS_IN_DAY 27928 >>> stake_reward = (coin_day * REWARD_PERCENT) // DAYS_IN_YEAR 382575342 
note: // is a floor division. For example, 3 / 2 = 1.5, 3 // 2 = 1
And we come out the other end with exactly 3.82575342 NAV. Those are the only variables that affect your payout for staking. You then also get whatever the fees happen to be. There's not any magic to it, and so far as I can tell there's also not a limit. If you legitimately wait those 17 years for your 1 NAV to stake, your eventual payout will be on the order of 0.84 NAV. Anyways, that's pretty much all there is to your payout; it's very direct.

So is it worth it for me to stake?

tldr; personal preference
Honestly, this is entirely up to you. If you're in the "month or more" camp of coinstakers, it's probably not worth your while to be running 24/7 unless you're just really into securing the network (which, to be fair, I am all about that, so feel free). But with the blockchain at the small size it is right now, and if you're going to be using your computer anyways, it probably doesn't hurt to just run it in the background and see if you get lucky. Like pointed out, the actual amount you get is not affected by any of this. All that this means is that it is harder to predict exactly when you will get a stake. If you're concerned about financially supporting the staking, then NavTechServers has created this handy calculator to help out. From a mathematical standpoint, it's ironically much more likely for small coinstakers to get stakes if they are running 24/7, but from a financial standpoint, you're probably not getting enough to care to, so it's up to your preferences.

Cold Staking is not staking while offline

tldr; there is no magic that will allow blocks to be created without nodes on the network
I've also seen a bit of confusion over what cold staking is likely to bring, and want to ensure people aren't upset when it does get rolled out. Specifically the misconception that staking with offline coins is the same thing as staking while offline. It is physically impossible to generate a block without something connected to the network, and you only get staking rewards once you have generated a block, because the blockchain doesn't really have the tools to tell who is online and participating beyond "who made this block."
All that cold staking means is that the private keys to use your NAV to buy things or move their address are not on the server doing the staking. In general, this is accomplished via a smart contract and a secondary set of keys that is given permission to use your coins, but only for staking. If those keys are used for moving the a coin from one account to another, then the smart contract will flag it as an incorrect usage. This means that if someone hacks into your server, the only thing they could steal are the keys that permit them to stake your blocks. This is much easier to correct than someone stealing your private keys and moving your NAV to a separate address. Particl's overview of their cold staking system is a good read to get some baseline expectations.
Most implementations of cold staking do open up the possibility to sign your coins over to someone else to stake, which opens up the entirely new 51% attack vector of asking people to just GIVE you their network weight. But given that I have just recently explained to you all why one person owning a majority of the coin staking weight on the network is dangerous, I shouldn't have to tell you why this would be a bad idea, right?
RIGHT??

Summary

In any case, that's about it. Chances are the answer to the question "am I staking" is "yes", so long as the wallet tells you that it's staking. Unfortunately (but also fortunately), waiting longer only increases your chances insofar as you are trying more, but when you do eventually stake, you will be paid out based on how long you have waited, so there's not much lost.
I could go into much more depth about all this but this was about as concise as I could get it while still showing most of my work. I'd also be happy to address any other questions that arise from this, and obviously if somebody who knows better finds anything wrong with any of the details here let me know. If you wanted to get into this more in-depth, I've created a Python script which explains some of the technical aspects more thoroughly (including how to unpack the compact target number into the full value being checked in the code), and allows you to get hands-on with real block values. You can download it here. Happy hodling, everybody.
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